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Report for 9/5/2005 – 9/10/2005 – LCCC – Albany County Campus  

Prepared by Seth A. Carson  

Correspondence 9/6/2005 – Email from Bob Berry to Seth Carson and Nicole Buscher 

Nicole, 

Looks like Seth has done a thorough job of reviewing the heat pumps and their controls. My only comment is about the methanol, presumably to be used as antifreeze in the loop. This should go away, and quickly! Have them resubmit the food-grade propylene glycol, as we discussed. 

Bob Berry 

Correspondence 9/6/2005 – Email from Harvey to the Design Team 

Hello everyone, 

I am writing this note to add to this letter with the ultimate interest that we have a project that will meet everyone’s needs.  CW Industries is the selected temperature control contractor for this new building.  Based upon this letter there are many people involved with this building.  CW industries was given a scope of work to provide this building with a computerized temperature control system.  We at CW Industries need to address additional items to complete the total scope of work for this project.  This letter shows many things that are in our scope of work and some that are not.  Nicole has put together a meeting at the project site to discuss what these additional items are and we would like to have the appropriate people present at this meeting that can help CW Industries understand the full scope of the project.  The meeting is set for 10:30 AM on Thursday September 8, 2005 at the jobsite trailer.  Please let us know if you are not able to attend. 

Thanks, 

Harvey 

Correspondence 9/6/2005 – Email from Cenk Yavuzturk to Seth Carson  

Seth,

Do you think UW should be attending this meeting?

Thanks.
Cy 

Hi All, this looks very promising.  Bob is confirming logic and numbers. Once he is satisfied, I am requesting Phil to take spread sheet and meet with Tom Fuller to verify that we are going down right track - I am sure he will want to confer with Barbara at DOE.  We need to remind him that we are still waiting for actual numbers on all grant stuff before we officially ask for the waiver to transfer funds. 

To Nicole, Tim, and Seth, thanks for your hard work on this. 

Chuck 

Correspondence 9/6/2005 – Email from Bob Cox to Seth Carson and Nicole Buscher 

Good Morning Seth and Nicole-- 

For the most part, I'm not sure I need to be at this meeting but am concerned about comments by Harvey related to scope issues -- again. With CW, I am concerned about what they thought they were going to do and now what they believe is now added to their work scope.  I don't have a good handle of who will be paying for what? -- our grant? UW's grant?   If this work is going to cause more expense it needs to be included in our request to Tom Fuller.   My sense is that I should attend with Phil, Tim and Jerry.  Dr. Bohlen is out of town and thus will not be available.   

Please let me know. 

Bob 

Correspondence 9/6/2005 – Email from Bob Cox to Seth Carson and Nicole Buscher 

Hi Nicole and All -- 

Jerry and I were "noodling" through your work on the energy grant and are happy that you were able to develop costs to achieve our need.  I have three observations 

1.  The EG 2 HVAC piece of this puzzle is still mostly an estimate since there were no bids last week. So I assume this will need to be "nailed down" as we move forward. 

2.  EG 5 lighting increased by about $55,000 from what we had originally provided to Tom Fuller.  Most of the costs seem to flow around "Lighting Rough In" category.  I assume we can get Tom transitioned to this difference from the first estimates and I assume that we can make the case that this extra work was due to solely to the energy lighting. 

3.  Finally, I like the added structural features that we discussed to accommodate all of the energy equipment.  Are we able to categorize it into the four categories approved by the grant?  I am concerned that if it does not meet one of the categories, it will not be allowed. 

Thanks for the report -- It was a big relief (ROLAID). 

Bob 

Correspondence 9/6/2005 – Email from Chuck Bohlen to Seth Carson and Nicole Buscher 

Sounds like a good idea to me. 

Chuck 

Correspondence 9/6/2005 – Email from Nicole Buscher to Bob Cox 

Bob, 

I don't believe that you or Dr. Bohlen need to attend.  However, I have asked Tim MacNamara as he knows the system and the college's needs the best. 

As for cost, we will also be discussing what features affect current contract cost. 

Bob Berry is welcome to attend via conference call if he's available. 

Thank you, Nicole 

Correspondence 9/6/2005 – Email from Nicole Buscher to Bob Cox 

Bob,  

1 - (EG2) Yes, as I move forward on the geotherm well field this can be further defined.  I did talk with the DEQ on Friday morning.  A permit will be required by this department.  The permitting process could take 60 days; however, a closed-loop system may be processed quicker.

Unfortunately, the permit needs to be submitted by the geotherm contractor.  I have calls into contractors.  Sounds like we will also need to get a well permit thru the state.  I'll be following up on that today. 

2 - (EG5) These costs have not changed since Taylor Kohrs last run with the college on 8/1.  I do believe that Seth had made some changes to this item before submitting to Tom, however. 

3 - I believe that all of the items I labeled as 'Design Features...' can be included with daylighting.  However, kept them separate for your use. 

Nicole 

Correspondence 9/6/2005 – Email from Tim Macnamara to Bob Cox 

Bob-

We have a conflict with this meeting time for the controls at ACC.  The construction meeting for the new RH is at 0930 on Thur, and this meeting is at 1030 in Laramie.  We can probably divide the meetings and I attend one and Ed Bales the other.  Any preferences as to who goes to which meeting? Tim 

Correspondence 9/6/2005 – Email from Bob Berry to Nicole Buscher 

Nicole, 

I will not be available. Any reply from the DEQ? Since Ralph declined to bid due to the lack of license, I think you're going to have to change the design to sand and pea gravel fill with bentonite cap and ask Watson to re-bid to your original bidders. 

Bob Berry 

Correspondence 9/6/2005 – Email from Nicole Buscher to Bob Cox 

Bob, 

As noted on e-mail for energy grant, I did talk with the DEQ on Friday morning.  A permit will be required by this department.  The permitting process could take 60 days; however, a closed-loop system may be processed quicker.  Unfortunately, the permit needs to be submitted by the geotherm contractor.  I have calls into contractors.  Sounds like we will also need to get a well permit thru the state.  I'll be following up on that today. 

Nicole 

Correspondence 9/6/2005 – Email from Phil Neal to Seth Carson 

Hi Seth,

Let me know when you are to a point with the grant spreadsheet that you think it is ready for us to take to Tom. As you probably read, Chuck wanted me to do that but I felt it better coming from you since you have been coordinating the technical review of these items. I will be there to back you up. Talk to you soon.

Phil 

Correspondence 9/6/2005 – Email from Matt Rausch to LCCC Team 

We just need to make sure we have all the right people there that can answer all the questions. Some of these things will have a cost impact so we need the people there that can decide if it is all right to go that direction. 

Matt Rausch, CEO 

Correspondence 9/6/2005 – Email from Steven Turner to Seth Carson 

Don and Seth:

I still hope we can spend some time this week figuring out how to mount the current monitors in the panel boards, but my Wednesday and Thursday are busy.  Let me know if Friday would work.

Crum Electric can get in the Plenum rated version of the Belden recommended RS-485 cable by Sep 12.  The part number is Belden 82842 ( see attached PDF file).  Looks like you will need about 6 or 7 hundred feet to loop to all 10 panel boards.  If you purchase a 1000 ft reel, the rest should work for wiring equipment in the tower and out to the weather station sensors.

Steve Turner
Analogic Engineering, Inc.
(307) 836-3108
 

Correspondence 9/6/2005 – Email from Steven Turner to Seth Carson 

Seth: 

Got hold of Jack Dressel today.  He has worked extensively with the foundation designer (Allan Henderson of Patrick and Henderson) to built dozens of these caisson foundations.  He was also recommended by EMS.  Seems like we've got the A team.  He thinks he could fit this in this year.  I will get back to you once he firms up the foundation cost estimate. 

Steve Turner 

Correspondence 9/6/2005 – Email from Bob Cox to Seth Carson and Nicole Buscher 

Nicole 

Thanks for the feedback.  It is evident that we need to see a time schedule of what needs to be done to get the geothermal system on track. I suggest that you prepare a time frame for completion of the various tasks including the contract award, DEQ approval, well approval, city approval, well field start and completion, etc.  I am concerned that we may not want to build the manifold for this until we get some confirmation that we will be able to proceed. 

Bob 

Correspondence 9/6/2005 – Email from Nicole Buscher to Bob Berry 

      Nicole, 

My understanding is that Jean has already responded to you stating that both her and I will be available by phone during this meeting. 

As for the balancing valves, the email sent to you from Robert Barry on 8-25-05, suggests that the 3-way valves on seven of the heat pumps can be removed to save money and not affect system performance.  We agree with his assessment.  It is important that the contractor only remove the 3-way valves from the piping package shown on the detail and ensure that all other valves are provided. 

Please contact me if you have any further questions. 

Sincerely,

Peter Failla 

A controls meeting has been scheduled with Air Comfort, CW Industries, Taylor Kohrs and LCCC for this Thursday, September 8th at 10:30 AM. 

Basically going to review what the control package functions need to include, see previous e-mail from LCCC, prior to completing the submittal package. 

I would like to have a rep from MKK available by phone.  Let me know who I should call. 

Also, there have been a couple e-mails from the college regarding the mechanical system.  1 - Balancing valves, 2 - Control package.  I'd like to have MKK respond to #1 prior to Thursday's meeting and be prepared to discuss #2 during the meeting. 

Thank you, Nicole 

Correspondence 9/6/2005 – Email from Nicole Buscher to Jerry Harris 

Jerry, 

Attached is the gas agreement from Kinder Morgan.  Please let me know if you'll be setting up this account, similar to Pacific Power, or if I need to. 

Thank you, Nicole 

Correspondence 9/6/2005 – Email from Tim Laughlin to LCCC Team 

Hello Dr. Bohlen, 

Attached are three photos (Photo One, Photo Two, Photo Three) of Bacon Elementary in Fort Collins.  They show the colors of the recycled shingles that we propose for the ACC project.  We also propose the mixed selection of colors that you see in the photos. 

Taylor Kohrs does want to get the material ordered so that they can start work in a couple weeks.  Please let us know if you approve of the choice as soon as possible. 

Thanks, 

Timothy Laughlin 

Correspondence 9/7/2005 – Email from Jerry Harris to Nicole Buscher 

Nicole, 

I will contact Kinder Morgan and complete the account paperwork. 

Thanks 

Jerry L. Harris 

Correspondence 9/7/2005 – Email from Seth Carson to LCCC Team 

Hi Folks, 

Both Paul and Harvey are cool with the covenant set.  Harvey had one questions about the curb being eliminated in part of the parking lot.  I explained the budget overruns and he is completely fine with that issue.  They are both signing the documents today and I will pick them up this afternoon.  I will bring those over to Cheyenne next time I come over for the Foundation to sign and then deliver a copy back to all parties.  

Cheers, 

Seth Carson 

Correspondence 9/7/2005 – Email to Seth Carson from Bob Cox 

Hi Seth -- 

I have three sets of those plans in my office.  What sets are Harvey and Paul signing?  Ultimately we will need to have WM Stalcup sign for the Foundation as owner. 

Thanks

Bob 

Correspondence 9/6/2005 – Email from Tim Laughlin to LCCC Team 

Although there is no official protocol in the covenant documents, we thought three signed sets would allow the interested parties to each have a copy. Three provides one for the Turner Tract Review Committee, one for the City of Laramie, and one for the applicant, LCCC Foundation. 

Harvey and Paul each have two sets, so Seth could get the required signatures on 3 of their combined sets and deliver those to Cheyenne for signatures from the Foundation. 

Thanks, 

Timothy Laughlin 

Correspondence 9/7/2005 – Email to Seth Carson from Bob Cox 

Thanks Tim -- 

I will be in Laramie tomorrow with Tim Macnamara at the CW meeting.  I could pick them up and have them signed by the Foundation, then returned next week to Harvey and Paul. 

Bob 

Correspondence 9/7/2005 – Email to Seth Carson from Cenk Yavuzturk 

Seth,

Below is an excerpt from our project discussion. These are the data that we, within the scope of our project, need to be measuring and possible provisions will need to be made in order to accommodate the data acquisition.

Thanks.

Cy

During run time of both the actual building and scaled laboratory system/building, as a minimum, the following data will be recorded at five-minute intervals:

i) Heat pump entering/exiting fluid temperatures on both load and source sides. This will allow for the performance assessment of the heat pump system, specifically the heat pump coefficient of performance (COP), as the difference between entering and exiting heat pump temperatures is measure of heat pump energy consumption.

ii) Ground heat exchanger entering/exiting fluid temperatures for the analysis of possible heat losses or gains between the heat pump unit and the ground coupling. It will provide information on the thermal stability of the ground and possibly on the impact of available underground water flow on a short and long term basis.

iii) Entering/exiting fluid temperatures to the supplemental system components. These temperatures are primary influence parameters for the performance analysis of solar thermal and thermal energy storage systems.

iv) Entering/exiting fluid temperatures to the building side of the system for the assessment of energy conversion efficiency for isolation heat exchangers used between the building side and supplemental system components.

v) Fluid flow rate on the building side. The fluid flow rate allows for the analysis of the total building thermal load. Typically, the fluid flow rate will be changing continuously as the building thermal load changes with weather conditions and space use characteristics.

vi) Fluid flow rate on each supplemental system component. The fluid flow rate on each thermal supplemental system (solar thermal collectors) is required for the assessment of the total each transfer via the supplemental system component. In addition, assessment of supplemental system operating efficiency will be possible as the efficiency varies with the fluid flow rate.

vii) Fluid flow rate on the ground heat exchanger. The magnitude of the heat exchange to/from the ground via the ground heat exchangers is directly proportional to the flow rate of the fluid circulating in the ground.

viii) Ambient dry and wet bulb temperatures. (Weather data obtained via the on-site weather)

ix) Solar radiation intensity. (Weather data obtained via the on-site weather)

x) Ambient wind conditions specifically wind speed and direction. (Weather data obtained via the on-site weather)

xi) Heat pump compressor and building side energy consumption. This will allow for direct comparisons between actual and calculated heat pump energy consumptions.

xii) Energy consumption on fluid circulation pumps. This will be measured directly from the shaft of each fluid circulation pump in the system.

xiii) Energy production on the supplemental photovoltaics system.

xiv) Energy production on the wind turbine system. This will be measured directly from the shaft of the wind turbine.

xv) Heat transfer rates on the building envelope. Zones within the actual building where zone thermal loads provide maximum contribution to the overall building thermal, a series of heat flux measurement devices will be installed on the interior and the exterior walls, and fenestrations for monitoring actual zone thermal loads through measurements of heat transfer rates through the building envelope.

xvi) Occupancy rates in primary building thermal zones. 

Correspondence 9/7/2005 – Email to Seth Carson from Harvey 

Hello, 

I was wondering if Seth Carson, Cenk Yavuzturk, Phil Neal, and Tom Fuller are going to be at this meeting set for Thursday morning September 8, 2005 at 10:30 AM? 

Thanks, 

Harvey 

Correspondence 9/7/2005 – Email to Team from Cenk Yavuzturk 

I have emailed Seth Carson to ask if UW's participation in this meeting was requested. I have not received a response as of yet. 

We would be more than happy to attend if it is deemed necessary. 

Thanks.

Cy 

Correspondence 9/7/2005 – Email from Seth Carson to Harvey 

Hi Folks, 

I will be at the meeting for sure and UW will be there too.  Tim, I would request that you be there if you can and have Ed stay in Cheyenne.  If your coming over, can you pick up the signed covenant plans from Bob's office.  

Thanks.  FYI, this meeting is to finalize the DDC control and options so the final prices can be locked in.  Phil, I assume your coming too? 

Best Wishes,

Seth Carson 

Correspondence 9/7/2005 – Email from Tim Macnamara to Seth Carson 

Seth-

Bob & I plan to attend tomorrow's meeting.  I'll check with Bob about the covenant plans. Tim 

Correspondence 9/7/2005 – Email from Bob Cox to Seth Carson 

Hi Seth -- 

It was my understanding that Harvey and Paul had two sets each.  Tim Laughlin suggested they sign three of the four sets, I would then pick them up and have WM Stalcup sign on behalf of the Foundation.  He is not available until Monday. 

Thanks

Bob

Correspondence 9/7/2005 – Email from Seth Carson to Design Team 

Greetings, 

I have made my final tweaks to the energy grant spreadsheet.  My changes include and are congruent with the numbers and spreadsheet that Tom already has from the first go around.  They include adjusting the standard cost back to the 26,000 SQFT size.  This slightly reduces that column but is in line with the original grant numbers so there is no confusion with that.  Another change is that I combined three of Fremont’s lighting tasks to equal $188,362.00.  I did this so they don’t have questions or breakouts of rough-ins, etc.  This change was on the spreadsheet Tom has.  Another change is that I relabeled the tyvek task to say SIPS vapor barrier, it sounds more energy specific and special.  The word tyvek is common name and although it might not have used with a steel frame exterior wall system, the name sounds standard.  Also, I may suggest that we think about moving the new design affected items up within the specific energy systems that they correlate too.  This may read a bit better.  Also note I have labeled in red the geo numbers that could change and are awaiting final prices.   

My suggestion would be to send this off to Tom via email with instruction to forward to Barb.  The cover letter and full description can come later when the numbers are locked in.  Lets let Barb send us back her specific questions and we can give her the answers she needs and not add unnecessary fluff.   

Bob and Tim, I will see you 10:30. 

Cheers, Seth 

DDC Meeting Agenda 9/8/2005 – Prepared by Seth Carson  

1.  Introductions and Project Procedures 

2.  Project Description, Grant, Goals, and Final Energy Information Demonstration  

          A. Energy Monitoring/Usage, Energy Management Tool

          B. DDC Controls and Heat Pump Status, ex. web Kiosk

          C. Cogeneration Demonstration 

3. DDC Specifications Request by LCCC Team 

A. Four Main Focus Include Streamline Remote Maintenance, System Demonstration and Monitoring, Energy Management 

B. This Includes the Following: 

The heat pumps and controls should have the following data streams to and through the controls in a Modbus and/or N2 protocol, web friendly output. 

1. Space temp in all zones.

2. Leaving hp water temperature.*

3. Entering hp water temperature.*

3. Discharge air temperature.

4. Command of space temperature setpoint through controls.

5. Cooling Status.

6. Heating Status.

7. Low temperature sensor alarm.

8. Low pressure sensor alarm.

9. High pressure sensor alarm.

10. Condensate overflow alarm.

11. Hi/low voltage alarm.

12. Fan ON/AUTO position of space thermostat as specified above.

13. Unoccupied/occupied command.

14. Cooling command.

15. Heating command.

16. Fan ON/AUTO command.

17. Fault reset command.

18. Itemized fault code revealing reason for specific shutdown fault. 

The mechanical room controls should have the following data streams to and through the controls in a Modbus and/or N2 protocol, web friendly output. 

1. Entering ground loop field temperature.

2. Exiting ground loop field temperature.

3. Entering/exiting ground loop field flow rate.

4. Pump status/speeds 

The HRV-1,2 controls should have the following data streams to and through the controls in a Modbus and/or N2 protocol, web friendly output. 

1. Entering outside air temperature.

2. Exiting exhaust building air temperature.

3. Discharge duct air temperature.

4. Pre-heater Status.

5. Itemized fault code revealing reason for specific shutdown fault. 

 

Thank you all and let me know what questions you may have. 307-760-5998. 

Seth Carson  

4. UW Requirements for Heat Pump System “Analysis and Demonstration” 

 

          A. UW Grant Purpose, funds, etc. 

During run time of both the actual building and scaled laboratory system/building, as a minimum, the following data will be recorded at five-minute intervals:

i) Heat pump entering/exiting fluid temperatures on both load and source sides. This will allow for the performance assessment of the heat pump system, specifically the heat pump coefficient of performance (COP), as the difference between entering and exiting heat pump temperatures is measure of heat pump energy consumption.

ii) Ground heat exchanger entering/exiting fluid temperatures for the analysis of possible heat losses or gains between the heat pump unit and the ground coupling. It will provide information on the thermal stability of the ground and possibly on the impact of available underground water flow on a short and long term basis.

iii) Entering/exiting fluid temperatures to the supplemental system components. These temperatures are primary influence parameters for the performance analysis of solar thermal and thermal energy storage systems.

iv) Entering/exiting fluid temperatures to the building side of the system for the assessment of energy conversion efficiency for isolation heat exchangers used between the building side and supplemental system components.

v) Fluid flow rate on the building side. The fluid flow rate allows for the analysis of the total building thermal load. Typically, the fluid flow rate will be changing continuously as the building thermal load changes with weather conditions and space use characteristics.

vi) Fluid flow rate on each supplemental system component. The fluid flow rate on each thermal supplemental system (solar thermal collectors) is required for the assessment of the total each transfer via the supplemental system component. In addition, assessment of supplemental system operating efficiency will be possible as the efficiency varies with the fluid flow rate.

vii) Fluid flow rate on the ground heat exchanger. The magnitude of the heat exchange to/from the ground via the ground heat exchangers is directly proportional to the flow rate of the fluid circulating in the ground.

viii) Ambient dry and wet bulb temperatures. (Weather data obtained via the on-site weather)

ix) Solar radiation intensity. (Weather data obtained via the on-site weather)

x) Ambient wind conditions specifically wind speed and direction. (Weather data obtained via the on-site weather)

xi) Heat pump compressor and building side energy consumption. This will allow for direct comparisons between actual and calculated heat pump energy consumptions.

xii) Energy consumption on fluid circulation pumps. This will be measured directly from the shaft of each fluid circulation pump in the system.

xiii) Energy production on the supplemental photovoltaics system.

xiv) Energy production on the wind turbine system. This will be measured directly from the shaft of the wind turbine.

xv) Heat transfer rates on the building envelope. Zones within the actual building where zone thermal loads provide maximum contribution to the overall building thermal, a series of heat flux measurement devices will be installed on the interior and the exterior walls, and fenestrations for monitoring actual zone thermal loads through measurements of heat transfer rates through the building envelope.

xvi) Occupancy rates in primary building thermal zones. 

B.  Specification will utilized the above LCCC information stream and in addition, include the following. 

The building envelop controls should have the following data streams to and through the controls in a Modbus and/or N2 protocol, web friendly output. 

1. Ten Building or five pairs of envelop temperature** readout on each sides of the building and one of the roof.  There will be four in pairs with one being placed on the outside of the building envelop (outside building surface), and one in the building wall cavity. The last pair will be for the roof with one being on the surface of the roof and one being on the metal decking.  The wall and roof performance will be measured and compared with the space temperature provided above and calculations can be made to determine the actual thermal performance of the wall/roof system. 

**These specific locations and temperature gauges will be provided by Seth Carson and the University of Wyoming when needed. Coordination will be made with CW to provide the correct temperature devises.  If, CW can provide these devises, it would be helpful. 

5. Roles, Responsibilities, Timelines, Costs, etc. 

Correspondence 9/8/2005 – Email from Jerry Harris to Steve Scott 

Steve, 

I just faxed to your office a copy of our purchase order #17171. You may proceed with this project per these documents. Regarding the maintenance program, before I can proceed with this segment, I will need a detailed document which outlines the maintenance program, schedules etc. 

Thanks

Jerry L. Harris 

Correspondence 9/8/2005 – Email from Jerry Harris to Nicole Buscher and Seth Carson 

Nicole and Seth, 

The below answer is in regards to Item 09-008 from OAC09 Meeting Minutes. 

Thanks 

Jerry L. Harris 

Hi Jerry -- 

Seth contacted me in early August and I gave him the information. The answer is that the Smartboards do not require any blocking. They are installed to the sheetrock with anchors. 

On the projectors, they will be mounted to the ceiling deck and this will be done by Taylor Kohrs per owner instructions. We will provide the mount to the projector and Taylor Kohrs will provide the pipe and deck mounting pieces per owner instruction. 

Michael

Correspondence 9/8/2005 – Email from Jerry Harris to Steve Scott and John Bleem 

John and Steve, 

Please allow me a minute to make introductions:

Ø       John Bleem is with Platte River Power Authority (PRPA) – the current owner of the Nordtank 65kW wind turbine.

Ø       Steve Scott is with Energy Maintenance Services (EMS) – the firm who is going to dismantle, refurbish and erect the wind turbine for LCCC. 

The purpose for this communication is in response to John’s recorded phone message earlier today. John you stated in your phone message that you would not have anyone available until the 1st of November to unhook the turbine. As of this communication, I believe that EMS is planning on dismantling the turbine next week, so if I heard the message correctly, then obviously we have a scheduling conflict.  

Since there now three (3) key players (LCCC, EMS, & PRPA) involved in this process, I trust we can come to an agreeable solution regarding this dilemma. Please let me know what LCCC can do to assist in this process. 

Thank You 

Correspondence 9/8/2005 – Email from Robert Berry to Nicole Buscher 

Nicole, 

Lisa MacArthur called to inform me that she has a conference call arranged for Sept. 14 with Kevin Frederick, with WY DEQ, and others that will be involved in the permit review.  She will do her best to educate them about the standards and the experiences of other states that have been down the same road, and now support geothermal systems avidly. 

She promised to send you and me an e-mail after the call to let us know how it went. 

Any other news to report on re-opening the well field bids? 

Bob Berry 

Correspondence 9/8/2005 – Email from Steve Scott to John Bleem and Jerry Harris 

Thank you for the introduction Jerry.  John, we look forward to working with PRPA to decommissioning this turbine in a safe and expeditious manner.  Not to complicate things even further but I would like to suggest you engage Jim Mikel here in our Gary office.  Jim is our Director of Operations and manages all field activity.  He can be reached at our 5398 number.   

I'm certain there are certain rules an procedures your organization must follow and I'm sure you're all very busy so it is difficult for me to respond to the situation.  I can tell you in past decommissionings, our experience is that is has taken less than 30 minutes to properly de-energize the turbine regardless of turbine size (65kW up to 2MW) or interconnect configuration.  

I hope that we're able to establish an agreement that allows us to proceed with next weeks planned decommissioning.  If we're not able to go next week, this project will most likely slide into 2006 which we want to avoid if at all possible as resources into early 06 are uncertain.  If we're able to work out the schedule, our technicians will tool up tomorrow (Friday) and head for Wyoming early Monday AM.     

Thanks in advance.  Again, please give Jim Mikel a call here in our office to discuss further.   

Regards,  

Steve Scott 

Correspondence 9/8/2005 – Email from Eileen Ely to Bob Cox 

Hi Bob, 

FYI…Terry Proffer e-mailed me this website. 

Eileen   

FYI:  New federal incentives for using GSHP systems - residential and commercial: 

http://www.geoexchange.org/incentives/incentives.htm 

Terry Proffer, CGD 

Correspondence 9/9/2005 – Email from Phil Neal to Team 

HI Everyone, 

I wanted to comment on the dilemma we are having with the concern that the Fremont Electric engineer, Chuck Polson, has with connecting the wind and solar power outputs together. His concern is that there could be a potential, once in a lifetime, problem if we connect the power outputs of the wind and solar systems and then send that electricity to the building as one stream. One solution he has provided is to put the solar system on a battery pack. But as it turns out the batteries have to be in a heated location which also has to have good ventilation. This would require either the building of an “out building”, which would have to be heated and ventilated, or retro-fitting an existing room in our new building – both having added costs we cannot incur. Chuck’s fear is that this type of hybrid system has never been done, yet I have a research article sitting on my desk which shows that it has, both with and without batteries. 

One solution I would offer is to run both the solar and wind to the building in parallel with one another. That would mean we could have the solar power running to the building in one piece of conduit and the wind running to the building through a second piece of conduit (From what I think I understood at a previous meeting with Fremont, is that we have run extra conduit from the building anyway). Once both sources reach the building we should be able to easily grid tie both systems. This is the way both systems have been designed to work so why try to change that – as Tim Macnamara said yesterday, KEEP IT SIMPLE. Maybe there is more to it that what I know but this seems to be the most straight forward approach.  

Those is my two-cents. Have a great weekend everyone. 

Phil 

Correspondence 9/9/2005 – Email from Nicole Buscher to Seth Carson 

Can you send me a copy of the final spreadsheet you'll be using with the state? 

I'd like refer to it for the monthly invoice summaries. 

Thanks, Nicole 

Correspondence 9/8/2005 – Email from John Bleem to Jerry Harris 

Hi Jerry … we have a conference call scheduled for 11 am Monday (9/12) to discuss this with Steve Scott and determine next steps & schedule. 

Regards,

John R. Bleem, Division Manager 

Correspondence 9/9/2005 – Email from Nicole Buscher to Bob Berry 

Bob, 

I spoke with John Harju, State of Wyoming Engineer's Office, this morning.  He said that we would not need to get a permit thru the State Engineer's office as the end result won't be discharging any water.  He did mention that I check with the DEQ and I advised him that I had been in touch with John Passehl in their office.

As for contractors, still working.  Left a message for Ralph, LoopTech, yesterday.  Since we will have a review process on the DEQ permit, asked if he'd be interested in obtaining a drilling license during that time and bid on the project.  Just got off the phone with Bergerson Caswell.

They may be willing to bid on the project if Taylor Kohrs and MEP work together and submit the permit application to the DEQ. 

I'm going to look on the State's website today to see what the application process includes and see what I can do. 

Nicole Buscher 

Correspondence 9/9/2005 – Email from Bob Cox to Phil Neal 

Hi Phil – 

I’m not an electrical engineer and have no idea of the complications that seem to be emerging with the solar panels and their connectivity.  Let me say that I don’t believe it is in our interest to take space away in the building, add ventilation to the new facility simply to deal with this experiment.  If the connections and battery back up can’t be managed outside with the panel installations, then we need to determine the viability of the panels for our needs.  As Tim Macnamara said, we really won’t have the manpower to be a Beta site for this.  Above all, my primary concern is safety. 

Bob 

Correspondence 9/9/2005 – Email from Jerry Harris to Team 

Everyone, 

As with Bob, I am not an electrical engineer, but I believe Ted Hanlon could be of help here, as well as Bob Berry. At a minimum, I suggest a second opinion from a reputable source before we proceed with a solution. 

Thanks 

Jerry L. Harris 

Correspondence 9/10/2005 – Email from Nicole Buscher to Tim Macnamara 

Tim, 

As discussed, below is the information a carpet which will fit within the allowed budget for the Albany Campus project. 

Please review and let me know if this material is an acceptable substitute. 

In addition, I have a call into LCCC's representative for Collins and Aikman. 

Thank you, 

Nicole Buscher 

Here is some information on the carpet. 

Manufacturer:     Kraus Carpet Mills

                  65 Northfield Drive West

                  Waterloo, Ontario, Canada N2J 4J4

                  519-884-2310

Line:             1779 Bradford 

Webinfo: http://www.krauscarpet.com/kraus/servlet/Navigator?Order=vafEnter&style=1779

Specifications: http://www.krauscarpet.com/VSRoom/specs_PDF/KrausContract/1779.pdf 

Let me know if you need more info, 

Timothy Laughlin 

Correspondence 9/10/2005 – Email from Nicole Buscher to LCCC Team 

Attached are meeting minutes from the OAC Mtg on Sept 1st

*Note: The first two (2) items on the meeting minutes (01-013 & 01-014) do not necessarily involve Taylor Kohrs.  Therefore, I'm proposing that we remove these items from our discussions and the college can discuss separately. 

Thank you, 

Nicole Buscher 

Correspondence 9/10/2005 – Email from Nicole Buscher to LCCC Team 

It was brought to my attention at Thursday's meeting that the heat pump schedule calls for 20% Methanol (HP Schedule, Sht M520) while the geotherm loop field drawing calls for 20% Glycol.  Can the current heat pump design use a 20% Glycol mix instead?  If not, is there another non-toxic fluid that can be used? 

Background:

Taylor Kohrs, along with the help of Bob Berry of Building Commissioning LLC, have been talking to the City of Laramie and the State of Wyoming's Dept of Environmental Quality regarding the geotherm loop field.  Currently, the vertical well field design penetrates three

(3) aquifers.  At least one of these aquifers services the City of Laramie's water supply, which we are up stream.  Therefore, we need to have a fluid in the loop field which is considered 'food grade' and non-toxic if ingested. 

If possible, please respond no later than Wednesday, as a rep from the IGSHPA has a conference call scheduled with the DEQ on Thursday to discuss permitting. 

Nicole Buscher 

Correspondence 9/10/2005 – Email from Nicole Buscher to LCCC Team 

Attached are meeting minutes for your use. 

DDC Agenda

DDC Scope of Work

DC – 01 Meeting Minutes

UW Additional Requirements 

*Note: Please review and respond as soon as possible if there are any corrections needed to the enclosed. 

Thank you, 

Nicole Buscher

Report for 9/12/2005 – 9/16/2005 – LCCC – Albany County Campus  

Prepared by Seth A. Carson  

Correspondence 9/12/2005 – Email from Steve Scott to John Bleem and Jerry Harris 

John and Jerry:

I have a dial in number to help facilitate the call.  Please dial into: 

605-874-9720 

Steve Scott

Energy Maintenance Service, LLC

129 Main Avenue, PO Box 158

Gary, SD 57237

605.272.5398 

Correspondence 9/12/2005 – Email from Jerry Harris to Steve Scott and John Bleem

Steve and John, 

Is the call scheduled for 11:00 AM MST or CST? 

Jerry L. Harris 

Correspondence 9/12/2005 – Email from Steve Scott  to John Bleem and Jerry Harris

John, 

The call is scheduled for 11 mountain time, 12 Central time. 

Please dial into 605-874-9720. 

Thanks 

Correspondence 9/12/2005 – Email from Chuck Bohlen to Tim Laughlin 

Tim, I have been out of town and thus could not down load the photos on my Blackberry.   

The singles look great - please proceed. 

Chuck 

Correspondence 9/12/2005 – Email from Nicole Buscher to Team 

Just spoke with Mark Truex, Account Rep for the Collins & Aikman Carpet. 

The LCCC standard carpet, material only, is $22.27/SY if bought by LCCC.  (Our allowance was $18/SY material & install.)  Approx. $8,500 more than budgeted. 

I've already forwarded Tim MacNamara the information on the Krauss carpet, which does meet the budget.  Please review and advise as to how the college would like to proceed. 

Thank you, 

Nicole Buscher 

Correspondence 9/12/2005 – Email from Seth Carson to Team 

Greetings,

I informed some of you last Thursday with an option for the solar system not to be net metered or connected to the turbine.  I have detailed the summary, status, and current information I have relied upon to make my final recommendations for the solar and wind.  They are as follows and I would urge LCCC to follow my lead. 

First, as you know, we hired Ted Hanlon with High Plains Solar/Wind.  He has hired Steven Turner from Analogic Engineering.  These individuals have done a fine job with their recommendations to me along with good continued positive work and direction regarding the Medicine Bow turbine.  Also, as some of you know, I have also been working with Fremont Electric and their professional engineer Chuck Polson.  Chuck is the individual who designed the electrical system for the ACC.  My focus has been to utilize the products and systems that Ted has recommended, have Chuck Polson review, finalize, and sign off on the design work, and have Fremont Electric wire up the components.  Design/build the bottom half of the grant has been my focal point. 

Second, to make have a successful renewable energy project, it is critical to have approval from Pacific Power, they are really the final say.  It is absolutely critical to get their buy off, as in turn they will be buying power from LCCC. YEH!! Both Chuck and Ted are saying that on a good day, the turbine alone will power the building and give some back to the grid.  Anyways, this power must be given to them through a SAFE grid tie design that everyone is comfortable with.  With the current plan, I am not comfortable.  The current recommended design from Ted and Steven has merit and in concept will in and ideal world work.  Although, we must design and think of all the problems and solutions that could occur.  These have come through conversations, emails, and discussions with Ted, Steven, Don Davis, Chuck, EMS, and Zantrax (the solar power inverter company).  

Ted would like us to have the solar and the wind power to connect together at the top of the hill and be sent down the building to grid tie.  The problem that Chuck has is that in the event that the grid power is down which will happen, it is a safety and a liable for both the solar and wind to be connected together and grid tied.  In theory, the wind and solar array cannot and will not function when the grid is off.  The inverter and the turbine controls must be electrified and charged from the grid to open the electron giving gate.  In theory the gate should never open when the grid is off.  Chuck and I agree with the minute chance that the solar and wind could think each other are the grid, so in turn could both stay on and produce power if the grid was down.  As a result and if some of our safety disconnects failed, the grid could get power from LCCC.  This present a safety concern that LCCC does not and can not afford to deal with.  Also no where in the country can any us find a solar array and wind turbine that connect together as a single renewable power source so as to find a documented proven safe solution example.  The NEC (electrical code has no recommendations or code guidelines that make it difficult for Ted and Stevens thought process to be recognized as safe.  Ted and Steven discount the concerns, but as your owner’s rep. I must have Chuck’s approval and sign off.  Without his stamp, which Ted and Steven don’t have, Pacific Power will not participate.  Get the stamp, they have no issues and neither should LCCC.  Please realize, this has nothing to do personally and Ted and Steven should not have a problem with going with the following design solution that Chuck and I are in agreement with.  

Keep in mind, the goal is to produce as much power as possible to give Eileen’s ACC a financial break and serve as a renewable energy campus example.  I believe the following still does both. 

I would recommend that the solar array not be connected with the turbine and to the grid.  The solar array will never feed the grid and not be net metered.  I would like to give Chuck to go ahead to design and sign off on the turbine as planned.  He should also plan on the solar design that should now run through a battery bank and power a selected group of lights in the building.  They would be the some of interior classroom lights and/or the corridor lights.  They bank and array will be design for optimum performance so as to power the lights when the bank was charged at night and have the solar array charging and power the lights during the day as well.  How this works is that through a transfer switch, the grid power to those lights would be cut off and the battery/array power would cut in.  With this overall method, Chuck is prepared to finalize his design and sign off.  In regards to Tim Macnamara’s concern about the battery’s and ventilation, remember that we are already planning on having a UPS (computer battery backup) in the server room.  I believe that ERV ventilation is mounted above this room for this reason, plus to exhaust the heat from the servers.  As a result, the solar battery bank could be in here too.   

At this point it is critical and in connection with the current wiring work in progress, give Chuck Polson and Fremont the thumbs up.  Please respond with any questions and concerns today.  There are a lot more details than this that are in play, but this is the overall summary.   

Best Wishes,

Seth Carson 

Correspondence 9/12/2005 – Email from Seth Carson to Team 

Greetings Jerry, 

I forgot convey you the price for the energy monitoring equipment last week.  The cost is $34,244.00 for Fremont Electric to provide the equipment and labor.  This is the equipment use for the solar and wind performance and monitoring and energy management and come out of the pv/wind budget as planned.  It will allow LCCC to review and make energy saving steps with its energy consumption in the future.  Every breaker in the building will be tapped for its energy use.  Tom Fuller is aware of this technology and the information it produces will also be shared with UW as per last week’s meeting.   

Jerry, please contact Melissa at Fremont Electric FREMONTELECTRIC@aol.com or 307-721-4176 and create a PO and confirm that an order has been place.  Fremont needs to install these in about two weeks.  

Thanks,

Seth Carson 

Correspondence 9/12/2005 – Email from Eileen Ely to Seth Carson 

Hi Seth, 

After reading your recommendation and Phil's feedback, I am concerned about the space, ventilation and the on-going expense of using batteries.  After reading an on-line article in the October and November 2005 Home Power magazine (www.homepower.com) entitled AC Mini-Grids-The Future of Community-Scale Renewable Energy, I am wondering why we are not using an expandable AC mini-grid--to include batteryless inverters, or a parallel connection suggested by Phil in a recent e-mail.  At this point, I am very concerned about having a large battery bank in the middle of our facility. 

I need a learning moment... 

Eileen 

Correspondence 9/12/2005 – Email from Tim Macnamara to Seth Carson 

Seth-

You might want to check on the idea of co-locating an inverter battery bank in the same space as electronic equipment (servers).  Sometimes the batteries can off gas (thus the need for ventilation) and cause problems with the electronic equipment.  Usually the UPS batteries are sealed units and don't off gas.  Don't know if this is a problem or not. Tim 

Correspondence 9/12/2005 – Email from Seth Carson to Team 

Eileen and Tim,

In response to your thoughts about the battery’s; We need battery’s now because we don’t want the transfer switch going back and forth every time a cloud goes over.  This will be hard on all the equipment.  In short, the bank is the buffer.  Plus, when the pv’s are at a power output level that is not up to the demand of the light load, they can still be charging the bank and saving the energy, otherwise you waste you solar potential.  Also, they add a benefit of having solar storage into the nighttime class hours.  This spreads the energy window out.  If the battery’s end up being an issue with the space or off gasing, they can be moved in into the turbine base or put in some out building or underground vault.  This is an issue that can be resolved.  I will forward a message to Chuck to spec. a sealed battery bank.  As for the space, the server room is huge.  I really doubt Michael is going to fill it up.  I did notice today at the job site that there is in fact a large intake vent in the server room. 

The parallel issue that Phil is speaking of carries the same problem as the one in the one in my last email with predicable safety in mind.  Eileen, if you need specific details I can discuss them over the phone or come and speak with you.  I’m not at all comfortable with that option.  Trust me, other sceneries have been examined and this was the solution that came out. 

The maintenance issue is one I don’t have good information on.  Ted probable has more information for you.  Also, this would be a commercial grade size and warranty, not residential. Plus, you already are going the have a battery of good size in the facility in terms of the UPS.  Chuck has indicated it would be about the same size and look.  You are also already adopting a maintenance issue here, the same applies for pv’s bank.  If we can get a sealed bank, the issue is moot.  

Lastly, the energy grant goals and production should still be met with the battery option in a better and safe solution.  If there is another underlining issue or just confusion, let me know.   

Please respond, 

Seth Carson  

Site Visit 9/12/2005 – Site Visit by Seth Carson 

Seth visited the site and reported the following progress.  The sewer drains trench and installation was well under way.  It appeared the most of the outside 4” pipe had be laid and back fill would be soon.  The south pod was receiving the rock ballast by crane.  Also, the masons made serious progress and the chocolate cmu block.  The north pod masonry work was at least 60 percent done.

The photos are posted here. 

Correspondence 9/12/2005 – Email from Steven Turner to Seth Carson 

Seth:

Looks as if it was an unfortunate day to be out of the office (ironically, at a renewable energy conference).

Reading through the emails from today, I feel that we are heading down a very bad path with the inclusion of batteries.  This system will be more expensive (both initially and as a recurring future cost for battery replacement), less effective in terms of energy efficiency, and require greater ongoing maintenance.  The sad part is that this approach really is totally unnecessary.  Since you have two opposite opinions on whether there is a problem with the grid tying multiple sources in parallel, why not seek an expert opinion or two before throwing out the existing design?  Part of the point of this installation should be to demonstrate what is possible.  Instead, the inclusion of unnecessary batteries will only demonstrate a poor understanding of renewable energy systems, not to mention waste a great deal of money in the process.

My suggestion at this point is that we all take a deep breath, stop and think.  Just because Ted and I have not been up to the task of convincing Chuck does not mean that we are wrong.  Today I discussed this project with two PEs experienced in renewable energy who would be interested in validating the original design.  We have also mentioned that we have contacted the NREL expert in this field (the guy who literally helped write the standard on grid tie).  No reflection on Chuck’s credentials or valid concern for safety, but he has no experience in this field.  In all fairness, I am also far from being an expert in this field, but I'm prepared to learn from those who are.  Wouldn't it be wise to depend on people that are readily available and have both experience and expertise to get this system right?  It may also be necessary to consider engaging an alternative PE consultant, particularly one who is already familiar with alternative energy systems.  Any additional expense incurred in obtaining expert advice will surely be a wise investment if we can avoid the unnecessary cost of batteries and other associated expenses, and the resulting system will not need to be an embarrassment to anyone.

The one part I fully agree with is to proceed on the wind turbine without delay, to make the most of the limited time opportunity to have the turbine running when the college opens.  There is no penalty to proceeding with this part of the system while we take additional time to make a carefully considered decision on the solar side, with the help of expert advice. 

I would like to have an opportunity to fully present and explain in person our research and reasoning as to why this is a safe design.  At the very least, I urge you to consider further discussions with me concerning a far less drastic alternative to satisfy Chuck's concerns (namely, a fully automatic renewable energy disconnect and shutdown on grid failure), before committing to your battery proposal.

Yours Sincerely
Steve Turner 

Correspondence 9/13/2005 – Email from Seth Carson to Team 

Hi Folks, 

Stu Reevs called me back today and put in his opinions about our renewable project.  He has successfully completed both grid tie and battery systems for the school district.  His was not so concerned battery maintenance issue as you might think, the price also sounded like it wasn’t much of an issue.  As you might not know, if the solar goes to batteries, there will be some cost savings in removing the disconnect, some conduit, and a transformer.  He stated that a lot of buildings in California have been using these types of battery banks for some time now and that only once a year you have to check the bank, etc.   Stu also stated that what were dealing with has been a common debate if his other renewable projects.  I am sorry if I offended anyone, but I think that this thing is long overdue.  I also enjoy engaging in critical conversation.  Sorry. 

As for the main issue at hand, I would still like to see Ted’s original concept work because it makes the most sense and it truly should be the most bang for the buck.  Although, I cannot recommend it to LCCC until someone stamps the design drawings.  The battery idea came out because it appeared to me that it still meets our goals, and Chuck will stamp the drawings.  As you know I would to finalize bottom half of the grant dollars ASAP.  This means a final design must be done first.  

Also, let me repeat, it is absolutely critical for LCCC to have this renewable project reviewed by a professional engineer.  I would ask Ted and Steven to get me an email this week from PE that can get involved and feels comfortable with signing off on their design concept.  This is part of the duties and needs to occur.   

Stu Reevs highly recommended me the name Scott Pandy from Son Electric (www.son-electric.com).  He is LEED certified master electrician that designs and hook these things up.  I spoke with Scott and he has offered to review the design and facilitate his PE approving the project.  He also said he would bid on the solar equipment and install. 

Ted and Steve, you have this week to get some a PE pinned down to stamp your design.   Please send the one-line on the Scott and get me email copy.  I urge you to call Scott and the PE’s you met at the conference and get one in the loop along with their cost of services.  If we cannot resolve this sign-off issue, I believe that battery method plan should be implemented next Monday. 

Thanks,

Seth Carson   

Correspondence 9/13/2005 – Email from Seth Carson to Team 

Seth, 

I have no problem completing this transaction, but I need confirmation on these issues first:

1)    Is this money coming from the Energy Grant EG 3 category titled

Integrated Automated System - Monitoring Package? If so, the latest spreadsheet has $10,000.00 budgeted, not $34,244.00.

2)    If the money is coming from some other category, what category

has been identified to cover this additional cost, and is Tom Fuller OK with this? 

I want to make sure we are on the same page and that if monies are shifted, everyone is aware of this. 

Thanks 

Jerry L. Harris 

Correspondence 9/13/2005 – Email from Seth Carson to Jerry Harris 

Jerry, 

Yes, Tom knows what were doing.  We have also promised to give this information to UW.  As result they reduced their budget.  I believe we discussed that the funds would come out of the wind budget in the end at our meeting with Tom and Cenk.  We mentioned that we were doing only one turbine and as a result would have extra funds to reallocate.  Phil please confirm this with Jerry today.  Also, the automated system EG.3 is for the website construction and kiosk only.  Right now the bid for that is $20K. 

Best Wishes,

Seth Carson  

Correspondence 9/13/2005 – Email from Seth Carson to Phil Neal and Jerry Harris 

Phil and Jerry, 

Phil, I don’t mean to be in such a rush but now is the time to finalize this stuff.  We have to let Pacific Power now and obtain their approval before the contracts with them you be in place.  This would include the on-line diagram, the interface method, and energy amounts produced.  

Correspondence 9/13/2005 – Email from Phil Neal to Seth Carson 

HI Seth, 

I don't recall talking about using any excess money from the wind turbine towards the extra energy monitoring equipment needed for Cenk. My understanding is that we would price this into an increased grant request when we take it to Tom. But, it would probably be easier to take this equipment cost out of the leftover money from the wind turbine. The reason I don't think we discussed doing it this way is because we did not know the quantity and costs of the sensors needed. My concern with doing it this way comes from spending any leftover money in our grant towards something for UW when we do not know for sure if we will get any more money from the grant to cover our own overruns. If we don't get more money, then that leftover money will have to be used (hopefully) to cover our own overruns. I think that we should increase our budget request by our overrun amounts, and add in increased costs for Cenk's equipment. When Tom said, "I could support the two grants this way", this is what I thought he meant. My understanding of the outcome of the meeting was that we eliminated any duplication of monitoring, LCCC agreed to add the extra infrastructure to accommodate the added monitoring UW needed, Cenk would reduce his grant by the amount of infrastructure LCCC would be responsible for, LCCC would increase our grant by that same amount, and Cenk would provide the computers, some sensors and weather station. 

Phil 

Correspondence 9/13/2005 – Email from Phil Neal to Team 

HI all,

Could I ask one question? I know that we want to have all the pieces in place by the time the building opens. Is there anything related to the solar to which we can't give due process (I hate that term) and spend the time to research it, do it right, and install it at a later date? I know Tom Fuller is ok with this. Are there construction cost increases we would incur if we don't install the solar within the next week or two? Having a deadline of next Monday seems unreasonable. Maybe we are just setting Monday as a deadline to put a fire under Ted and Steve - that is fine. But we just received this battery recommendation from Chuck Polson and Seth within the last week or two. So far there are concerns from numerous people at LCCC about using batteries, and I think we need to give our consultants a little time to give us an alternative, especially since Chuck Polson said in our meeting that he is new to the wind and solar issues and does not feel completely comfortable with it. We have come this far and I would hate to make a hasty decision just for the sake of meeting a deadline. If this is a budget issue and we will incur significant cost increases for waiting another week or two, then I understand the Monday deadline. Phil 

Correspondence 9/13/2005 – Email from Phil Neal to Seth Carson 

Hey there,

This email is from Joe Lord and he was asking me to present at these two events. I am in Casper on the October date and was wondering if you would like to present at the Laramie Engineers Meeting? Also, consider presenting at the state convention in February – maybe you, Tom and myself could do a team presentation at the conference. Both of these meetings could be a great opportunity to make some connections in your field. Talk to you later.

Phil 

Correspondence 9/13/2005 – Email from Ted Hanlon to Seth Carson 

Seth- 

It is clear to me that High Plains Solar Wind, LLC is not ever going to get a response from Chuck concerning his problems with the grid tie.  We are going to make one last effort to move this forward. 

It is my understanding that, if we get an electrical engineer with a Wyoming stamp to sign off on this project as it is designed, you will allow it to go ahead.   We have retained the services of a Wyoming licensed electrical PE.  His report will be forthcoming.  It will, I am sure, vindicate our position. 

I believe this is an unnecessary hoop, because there will be a host of licensed electrical PE's with PP&L who will review this design before it is allowed to proceed.  However, I am really tired of the stagnation, and I will do about anything to move this ahead. 

I would like to point out that, when Chuck raises his "concerns" he backs none of them up with a technical reason that it would apply in this case.  For instance, he does not point out which parts of IEEE standards 1547 and 1547.1 he believes we are violating.  He can't make a technical case for two UL 1741 listed equipment installations magically producing an island problem.  He simply says he doesn't "think" it will work--and for that we start jumping through hoops. 

It is also my recommendation that Fremont Electric give us the main building panel disconnect that we originally asked for on this project and nothing more.  LCCC will be much better served in the long run by an electrical contractor who is interested in making the project work.  I have a great concern that the "naysaying" pursued by Fremont Electric will be a self-fulfilling prophecy, in the end. 

Correspondence 9/13/2005 – Email from Eileen Ely to Seth Carson 

Good afternoon, 

In reviewing the recent e-mails regarding "the solar saga," I would like to re-iterate Phil's suggestion that we take some time, do some additional research, possibly talk to a PE (s) consultant, and give Ted and Steve some time to response to our concerns.  Didn't we hire them for their expertise?  If there is anyway possible to avoid the use of additional batteries for this project, I am for it.  I know that time is of the essence and that time is money, but, in the same breath, we have to be careful that we are making the most knowledgeable, informed decisions. 

I drove by the building this afternoon and it's looking great. 

Eileen 

Correspondence 9/13/2005 – Email from Ted Hanlon to Seth Carson 

I am strongly, strongly opposed to batteries.  Now you are talking about something where I do have immediate experience.  I have never had problems with a direct grid tie.  Batteries are a huge problem.  They have been a problem not only in every solar installation that I have ever done, but in every industrial ups that I have ever done.  Once again, am I doing this project or not?  Just say the word not and I will drag up so fast you won't even see me. 

Correspondence 9/13/2005 – Email from Ted Hanlon to Seth Carson 

Being a LEED certified master electrician does not mean that you have a license to practice either as an electrician or as a professional engineer in the state of Wyoming.  I went to the Son-Electric website, and I find no indication that they have any kind of license to practice in Wyoming.  In point of fact, does Chuck have a license to practice in Wyoming? 

Once again, tell  me what I am missing.  LCCC is going to pay quite a chunk of money to PP&L to have them approve the grid tie.  The approval will include review of the project by all of their professional engineers.  What sort of sign off do you need, by law or college preference beyond that? 

Having said that, we will get you your professional engineer sign off.  Our goal is to have the sign off in one week. 

I can take anyone who is interested through residences where I have directly grid tied and residences where batteries are required.  We can ask them what they think of batteries.  It will not be complementary.

-- Ted Hanlon Manager High Plains Solar Wind, LLC 

Correspondence 9/14/2005 – Email from Seth Carson to Team 

Attached is our invoice for the month of August.  Originals will be sent out tomorrow. 

Please let me know if there are any questions or corrections needed to the Energy Grant summary sheet. 

Thank you, 

Nicole Buscher 

Correspondence 9/14/2005 – Email from Bob Berry to Seth Carson 

Seth, 

It is a good practice for rooftop fan equipment to be equipped with dirty filter alarms. MKK didn’t specify these for the ERV’s. Would you like to check with Tim MacNamara to see how important this is to him, or do you think your tight budget would prevent adding this nice-to-have feature. When the filters get too dirty, the fresh air intake volume drops off dramatically, then the indoor air quality suffers until somebody figures out to check the filters. 

Bob Berry 

Correspondence 9/14/2005 – Email from Bob Berry to Nicole Buscher 

Nicole, 

While preparing my checklists and tests it occurred to me that the rooftop ERV’s don’t appear to have a means of keeping outside air from entering the units in the off-line condition, and then the ductwork. Please ask MKK to check with the mfr. rep for Renewaire to see if the units are furnished with a backdraft damper (or motorized damper) on the exhaust side, and a motorized damper on the inlet side. The submittal drawings make no mention of either. 

If they can’t provide these, then they should be added to the ductwork below the roof, which will be more expensive. 

Bob Berry 

Correspondence 9/14/2005 – Email from Seth Carson to Team 

          Hi Folks, 

I have reviewed Ted’s contracts and would propose the following solutions to our recent debate.  First I would like to apologize to Ted and Steven.  My backup plan to use battery’s in the event that Chuck Polson would not sign off was not well communicated to our team.  As LCCC representative, I was trying to point out a different solution that would be safe, reliable, and have complete consensus from LCCC and Pacific Power.  It appears that is not the case.  In turn, Ted and Steve still need to deliver and safe and reality grid-tie option.  Not to discredit or offend Ted and Steven, but as per their contract, there stills needs to be consensus and direct interface with and electrical engineer.  At this time Ted and Steven have failed to convince Chuck Polson that their system is safe and reliably.  As a result, Ted and Steven have offered to provide a new PE in Chuck’s place to certify and sign off on their grid-tie design.  This was my original goal with Chuck, but he is not comfortable.  As per Ted’s contract, my leadership role outlined within it, and critical timelines upon us, I believe it is necessary to complete the following in Ted’s scope of services in the next week to stay on track.  Section 2 of the contract has some of the following deliverables outlined.  My assessment is that line items c, d, e, h, l, m should be complete.  I have received some of this documentation already but need to have the final design emailed to me this week.  If these designs items are not complete they need to be finalized.  LCCC has already purchased the turbine and now a bit were behind the curve with the design.  Let’s finalize everything with the one-line and obtain professional by off.  I have requested that Ted and Steven have a PE with certified insurance, stamp ALL drawings and designs items listed above that they have prepared.  This should insure LCCC’s and Pacific Power’s comfort level and acceptance.  I realize that there is small cost involved and the grant needs to pay for this. 

I hope this pleases all involved parties; most importantly Bob Cox’s safety concerns and mine should be put to rest in a week. 

Ted please provide a cost for the PE’s service, their insurance policy, and contact information to Jerry.  Lets wrap up the grid-tie design debate and move on.  Eileen, you are right, we can select pv panels down the road. 

Cheers,

Seth Carson 

Correspondence 9/14/2005 – Email from Bob Cox to Team 

Hi Tim – 

I had cc’d  an e-mail to you regarding the covenant acceptance letter and the covenant sets.  I have not heard from you and thus am formally asking your assistance.  WM Stalcup, the Foundation President, has expressed a concern/desire to include some statement that says we are installing a wind turbine and photovoltaic panels on the site.  These items are exceptions to the height issue and possibly something else.  We feel we need to have this specifically stated in the covenant acceptance agreement.  I realize that the covenant set shows the turbine and panels but we want to reinforce it in writing so we all agree upfront.  I believe this needs to be signed by the 23rd.  

Seth – I’m not sure where you are with signatures but we may need to change the acceptance letter and have it resigned. 

Probably would be good to pass it by WM first before we send it on to the others. 

Thanks 

Correspondence 9/14/2005 – Email from Chuck Polson to Team 

Battery info, for general edification. 

Concorde – Things that work.

Solar Power –Concorde

XTender - Service 

Respectfully,  

Chuck Polson P.E. 

Correspondence 9/14/2005 – Email from Steven Turner to Seth Carson

 

Hi Seth

Please give Aarne Haas of Manufacturing-Works a call at (307) 632-3003.  He was out of his office for most of today, but if you leave a message he should be back later to return your call.

He needs to talk to you about exactly what you need for us to proceed.  My understanding of "stamping" a drawing, insurance, etc. is very limited, but I thought that was ultimately the responsibility of the "engineer of record" for the entire project.  Anyway, I'm certain Aarne along with George Twitchell and possibly Andy Rose can fully review and analyze the design, and provide an official PE blessing.  These guys all have very high interest and understanding of renewable energy systems.

allwyoming.uwyo.edu/manufacturing_works/contact.htm

Thanks
Steve

Correspondence 9/14/2005 – Email from Tim Laughlin to Bob Cox 

Hi Bob, 

I did receive the email on Monday this week, and have reviewed the memo with J.  As long as we can get confirmation that Dr. Bohlen, yourself, and someone from LCCC Foundation will be at the OAC meeting tomorrow, we will respond to the memo at that time.  If the above mentioned people are not available, we request an emergency meeting with the above mentioned individuals as soon as possible. 

Thanks,

Timothy Laughlin

Correspondence 9/14/2005 – Email from Chuck Bohlen to LCCC Team 

All, unfortunately I will not be at the OAC meeting tomorrow. 

Chuck 

Correspondence 9/14/2005 – Email from Seth Carson to Team 

Bob, Chuck, and Tim, 

I have the signed copies of the plans and acceptance letter from both the city and Farm Bureau.  I will bring them to the meeting tomorrow.  I did speak with Harvey and Paul when the plans were picked up regarding the wind turbine.  I mentioned that we had selected a 75ft turbine and that it was the same one in our earlier meeting.  Both individuals didn’t seem concerned about it at all.  Although, it would be a good idea to get the city and Farm Bureau to sign another one regarding the turbine and pv.  At some point I would still like to get my council resolution support the project as a partner to this and future wind power development in this community.     

Also, please check out the guys out at http://allwyoming.uwyo.edu/manufacturing_works/about.htm. As a result to my caution towards the current energy debate, this group wants to help out.  Seems like a great fit and if we can get these guys to confirm Ted’s design were back in business. 

See you folks tomorrow.   

Correspondence 9/14/2005 – Email from Seth Carson to Team 

Michael, 

Could you please send me dimensions, cut sheets, instructions on the projector mounts and procedure you guys use in Cheyenne.  Phil, could you confirm the ACC is going to set up and has 7 projectors that you will start with.  If so, what rooms need to have smartboards and projectors first?  Also, Michael could you also send me the size and specs for the UPS if you have them?  Lastly, I would also like to start planning the server room layout.  I would like to see how much room is left for the grant computers, UPS, etc. and see where were at with space needs.  Server rack sizes, count, spacing, etc. 

Thanks,

Seth Carson 

Correspondence 9/14/2005 – Email from Seth Carson to Tim Macnamera 

Tim,  

Bob Berry fired off the below questions to me for you to review.  If you could, please comment and respond before tomorrow’s afternoon OAC meeting.  My question would be how much are these??? 

Thanks,

Seth Carson 

Nicole, 

While preparing my checklists and tests it occurred to me that the rooftop ERV’s don’t appear to have a means of keeping outside air from entering the units in the off-line condition, and then the ductwork. Please ask MKK to check with the mfr. rep for Renewaire to see if the units are furnished with a backdraft damper (or motorized damper) on the exhaust side, and a motorized damper on the inlet side. The submittal drawings make no mention of either. 

If they can’t provide these, then they should be added to the ductwork below the roof, which will be more expensive.

Seth, 

It is a good practice for rooftop fan equipment to be equipped with dirty filter alarms. MKK didn’t specify these for the ERV’s. Would you like to check with Tim MacNamara to see how important this is to him, or do you think your tight budget would prevent adding this nice-to-have feature. When the filters get too dirty, the fresh air intake volume drops off dramatically, then the indoor air quality suffers until somebody figures out to check the filters. 

Bob Berry 

Correspondence 9/14/2005 – Email from Seth Carson to Team 

Hi, 

Attached is the energy grant cost spreadsheet.  Ted and Steven, please update and send back the file as we will be discussing grant cash flows today at our OAC meeting today. 

Bob and Nicole, the first tab in the file is the most up-to-date grant spreadsheet they I have.  Now we just need the loop field and the DDC controls final price.  I bumped the new day lighting up into the lighting category. 

Best Wishes,

Seth Carson 

Correspondence 9/15/2005 – Email from Nicole Buscher to Bob Cox 

Bob, 

Hopefully the attached spreadsheets below will work for you. 

Thank you, Nicole 

Contracts to Date

Changes Orders to Date 

Correspondence 9/15/2005 – Email from Nicole Buscher to Team 

Attached is the agenda, meeting minutes and look-ahead schedule for today's meeting at 2:00 PM. 

Thank you, Nicole 

Correspondence 9/15/2005 – Email from Nicole Buscher to Team 

Sabrina, 

If you haven’t noticed the reports and emails all should be posted on the project website.  The address is http://www.bluefeatherdesignbuild.com/LCCC/ACC/LCCCACCproject.htm 

Best Wishes,

Seth Carson 

Correspondence 9/15/2005 – Email from Sabrina Lane to Nicole Buscher  

Thank you, Nicole. I think this will work fine. 

Sabrina Lane 

Correspondence 9/15/2005 – Email from Ted Hanlon to Seth Carson

 Budget Spreadsheet attached
-- Ted Hanlon Manager High Plains Solar Wind, LLC   

Correspondence 9/15/2005 – Email from Tim Macnamara to Nicole Buscher 

Seth-

Dirty air filter alarms are nice to have items, but not required.  We don't have them on units at the Cheyenne campus.  If the preventative maintenance program is set up well and adhered to, filters are inspected often enough and changed, so that outside air flow is not reduced. Tim 

Correspondence 9/15/2005 – Email from Nicole Buscher to Team 

Attached is Bulletin #01, which identifies all changes to date for your use and file. 

Please let me know if you have any questions or comments. 

Thank you, 

Nicole Buscher 

Correspondence 9/15/2005 – Email from Marilyn Aiken to Seth Carson 

Seth, 

The majority of our rooms will be taught in the following rooms: 

106 – 2 classes of ART ( may not need a smart board this semester)

110 – Science

113  - Compressed video

114 – classroom

115 – classroom

116 - classroom

117 – English computer lab

118 – MSFT computer lab 

205 – classroom  

9 rooms scheduled – which includes the ART room that may not need a smartboard at this time. 

We presently only have 7 smartboards that can be reused!   We also only have 4 podiums ( of different kinds).

Hope this helps!

Marilyn 

Correspondence 9/15/2005 – Email from Jerry Harris to Seth Carson and Nicole Buscher 

Nicole and Seth, 

The service agreement from Kinder Morgan requesting the installation of a gas line at 1125 Boulder Drive in Laramie has been signed and faxed/mailed to Kinder Morgan, attention Johnny Kuhn. I have asked in the cover letter that they coordinate the install thru either Nicole or Seth, and that the account be set-up in LCCC’s name. 

Thanks 

Jerry L. Harris 

Correspondence 9/16/2005 – Email from Jerry Hankin to Seth Carson  

Seth, do you know what the anticipated date of completion is for the LCCC building?  WYDOT is trying to plan some work and wants to coordinate it with their completion.  Thanks for your help. 

Jerry Hankin 

Correspondence 9/16/2005 – Email from Jerry Harris to Nicole Buscher 

Nicole, 

I have reviewed the power agreement with PP & L and there is included in this document package a one (1) page document titled “Right of Way Easement”. Do you need a copy of this or do you just need confirmation that we have this document? 

Thanks 

Jerry L. Harris

Correspondence 9/16/2005 – Email to Jerry Harris Nicole Buscher  

Jerry, 

Can you send a copy?  This is what Tim will need to include with the permit comments being sent back to the City. 

Thank you, Nicole         

Correspondence 9/16/2005 – Email from Jerry Harris to Nicole Buscher 

Nicole, 

I will fax a copy to your office and Tim's office this morning. 

Thanks 

Jerry L. Harris 

Correspondence 9/16/2005 – Email from Jerry Harris to Nicole Buscher 

Everyone, 

For your information and files

Thanks 

Jerry L. Harris 

Correspondence 9/16/2005 – Email from Jerry Harris to Nicole Buscher 

Nicole, 

I received a copy of Taylor Kohrs Bulletin #01, dated September 7, 2005, pages 1 thru 6 inclusive. Has this document been reviewed, agreed upon and signed by an LCCC representative?  

On a second note, I just faxed to your office and Midyette’s office a copy of the PP & L easement document, if you don’t get it, please let me know. 

Thanks 

Jerry L. Harris 

Correspondence 9/16/2005 – Email from Nicole Buscher to Jerry Harris 

Jerry, 

This Bulletin #01 incorporates and further defines the value management list that was included in the contract amendment and the covenant documents. 

Please let me know if there are any questions or comments regarding this document. 

Thank you, Nicole 

Correspondence 9/16/2005 – Email from Jerry Harris to Nicole Buscher 

Everyone, 

Revised wind turbine project schedule

Thanks 

Jerry L. Harris 

Correspondence 9/16/2005 – Email from Sabrina Lane to Team 

Please help me understand….. 

Several weeks ago, we were informed that we could possibly use the funds from the solar/wind generation side of the grant to help supplement the geotherm side of the grant (which at this point, do not have a good solid cost for and a current deficit of ~$225,000).  Then there shortly after, we were told that it may not be possible to use the solar/wind generation money for anything but. Have we gotten resolution or approval from the grant folks about this issue?  I think it is very important to have this answered before going down the wind turbine road. If we can use those funds, wouldn’t it be logical to hold onto those funds until we have a solid cost on the geotherm field? Once the geotherm issue is resolved then there will be a comfort zone regarding how much money is left to use for the wind turbine.   

I clearly understand that approximately $130,000 is critical now to spend to get the building and field set up for the wind turbine. But if we don’t have heat in the building in December, what difference will a wind turbine make? 

I have not been included in all of the grant conversations and would really like to be brought up to speed as to where exactly we are in the grant process and in the thought process. 

Thanks. 

Sabrina Lane 

Correspondence 9/16/2005 – Email from Steven Turner to Seth Carson 

Hi Seth

Just touching base to make sure we are on the same page regarding your recent requests.

Re: PE
Once you and Aarne discuss what you need from him and how he will be paid, Ted and I will meet with Aarne to examine the proposed system.  If you don't need to do this anymore, I will probably meet with Aarne anyway to talk about his help to review proposal for PP&L (general discussion and initial consultations are usually free of charge).  Note: We now have additional supporting documentation from other power companies and a Canadian study of grid tie practices, on top of the NREL support mentioned earlier.

Re: Reviewing Fremont bid on energy monitoring
Ted believes that this part of the project has been deferred indefinitely due to funding priorities, so I expect this is a moot point.  If you still want us to review this bid, we would like to see the breakdown of parts and labor to do a proper assessment.

Re: Budget estimate
Let me know if there is anything else you need not covered on Ted's spreadsheet from yesterday.

We are now concentrating on tying up loose ends and completing the design contract. 

Cheers
Steve 

Correspondence 9/16/2005 – Email from Tim Laughlin to Jerry Harris 

Hi Jerry, 

We received a two page fax this morning, including the cover sheet.  We did not receive a copy of exhibit A as referenced in the Right of Way Easement. Exhibit A should be the legal description locating the right of way on the property.  Could you please fax that over as well. 

Thanks, 

Timothy Laughlin 

Correspondence 9/16/2005 – Email from Eileen Ely to Seth Carson 

Hi Seth, 

Phil and I discussed the need for additional parking lot markings.  As mentioned in this week’s meeting, the individual parking stalls—to include handicapped stalls, will be marked.  In regard to additional lot markings, we feel arrows (or arrow) are needed to direct traffic flow into the loading/unloading turn around area only.  Other directional arrows would most probably be ignored.  Tim Macnamara may have some additional insights on this matter.  Is there enough room for two-directional traffic between the parking sections?   

Sincerely,

Eileen 

Eileen E. Ely, Dean 

Correspondence 9/16/2005 – Email from Jerry Harris to Tim Laughlin 

Tim, 

I re-faxed the easement document and Exhibit "A" to you and Nicole. Thanks for catching this. 

Had a chance to get a haircut yet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

Take care 

Correspondence 9/16/2005 – Email from Steven Turner to Seth Carson 

Seth

I keep forgetting to mention that there were people at the renewable energy conference in Douglas that apparently had worked with ground source heat pumps in Wyoming.  Might be worth talking to.  Didn't get names, but I bet you could get contact info through Ed Werner.

For Information on attendance or exhibiting contact Ed Werner at
(307)-358-2000 or at ewerner@candowyoming.com


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3:00 - Geothermal Energy Opportunities in Wyoming—Ed Werner, CANDO & Bud Sprenger, Arrowhead Inc.

                5:30 - Tour office building to look at geothermal heat pump and solar array—Bill Tibbs, Tibbs 

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            Who knows - maybe in the next year or two we get to make a presentation.

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